Sunday, October 14, 2007

Looks like it's time to get involved. (RE: IrateGamer)

For a time, all was well. The reviewing community had managed to distance itself from the majority of AVGN-nazis and we had embraced the content that we all came up with.

And then that community turned it's guns on the Irate Gamer.

Irony, right?

Near as I can tell, it all started with a rant that Silent Rob put out after Chris announced that the next review would be on TMNT. It was full of butthurt. Every third word was "cock" and it was full of "BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW HE HAS LEET EDITING SKILLZ". Every teenager with nothing better to do (i.e. school and/or job) latched onto the idea that hating IrateGamer was way more fun than liking him, and proceeded to troll the fuck out of him.

I'm not going to sit here and say that the resulting TMNT review didn't bear a suspicious resemblance to the then-ANN review (Or say I wasn't a little aghast when he went after TMNT2).

Let's review some facts and assumptions.

FACT: A reviewer is going to review a game regardless if someone else already did it.

FACT: The pizza next to the collapsing razor walls is massively outrageous, and it'd be a crime NOT to mention it.

ASSUMPTION: Chris probably saw the original TMNT review sometime after he put out the TMNT teaser.

ASSUMPTION: Nobody ever used the phrase "shit load of fuck" on the internet before Chris did, right??

ASSUMPTION: AVGN is the ONLY internet celebrity allowed to market his own t-shirt.

First, let's address the "shit load of fuck" issue. The expletive "shit load of crap" has had the word "crap" removed and "fuck" added in it's place. Witty and unique, right? Sure, if you discount the fact that AVGN comes up with these things probably by sticking swear words and other complete randomness into mad libs just to come up with these terms. If I want to say shit load of fuck, I'm saying it. I don't give a shit who else said it before I did.

Another issue of contention among his detractors is his use of fancy effects and cutting-edge video-editing software. So what? If you've got a talent, fucking use it. And if I had the talent to put in the kind of special effects he does, I'd do it too. HE USES SONY VEGAS HE SUXXXX. If you guys get a rare power-up in a video game, are you gonna use it? No, of course not. To use it would make you a jackass who exploits rare knowledge or talent to make a task easier or more appealing. I'm going to assume that everyone who uses Sony Vegas as a talking point never used the tank on the Runway or Streets levels of Goldeneye 007 because that would make them hypocrites.

Another talking point people use is that he has reviewed Back to the Future and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which were also reviewed by AVGN. I count at least five TMNT reviews on a search for "tmnt review nes" that weren't done by AVGN or IrateGamer. You guys had better be flaming every one of those guys too for reviewing a game AVGN did.

"But wait Bogart, you reviewed Top Gun: The Second Mission, which AVGN kinda reviewed and/or mentioned in his Top Gun review. Nobody hated you for it."

Oh they hated it before I pulled out the review. Everybody assumed I was just going to trash the game. Then the review came out and it was quite the opposite. The YouTube reviewing community assumes by default that you're going to rip someone off if you go after a game someone else did.

UrinatingTree did a Snake's Revenge review (ish). He even used sound clips from my review. Does that make me hate him? No, of course not. He took my review and made it better. It's not plagiarism to take an existing concept and improve it. ZOMG PLAGIARISM IRATEGAMER TOOK A TALKING POINT/REALLY STUPID EXPLETIVE AVGN DID. If we handled all instances of taking ideas and trying to improve them, we wouldn't have new video game consoles. This is why we can't have nice things.

Granted, I did pull a really mean bait and switch on wizwar100 for doing an intro like mine with the Time Lord theme, but that was in really bad taste and I apologized for it.

Some of the butthurt IG haters have created an article at EncyclopediaDramatica. This is a huge mistake. From someone who has frequented ED for the last couple of months, this article is extremely shitty. I don't know if the people brave enough to contribute to it know this, but ED doesn't think much of reviewers, seeing as how they have articles for AVGN and UrinatingTree. Haters, pay close attention to the UT article. It's about as appealing as the IG article. And ED thinks it's made of massive fail. ED also hates AVGN. So for reviewers to go there and try and make ED their own personal army is only going to come back and bite them in the ass. ED is an outlet for sites such as 4chan and entities such as Anonymous. There are three constants in the universe: Death, Taxes, and Don't Fuck With Anonymous/4chan/ED/etc. But you guys would know that, you actually looked at content the site hosts before you went there to flame IrateGamer, right? If not, Pay close attention to this article. He tried to make 7chan his personal army. It didn't end well.

Finally, I'll address his need for having to sometimes approve comments. Gee, could you blame him? Sure, there are some of you who want to point out legitimate concerns, questions and/or criticisms of his video, but do you know what the majority of his detractors are posting? Random stupid ass comments probably involving cocks or homosexuality. If he manually approves comments, it's because idiots are spamming his videos. I don't appreciate when my videos are spammed with trash, you don't appreciate it, and Chris certainly isn't going to appreciate it either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if part of the motive of his comment approving had to do with fucking pornbots comment-spamming porn links.

I'm going to tell you guys what I told DanielCraigIsNotBond. If you have a legitimate reason to dislike IG, go right ahead. If not, stop acting butthurt and surpass him if you think he's so shitty.

It's a shitload of fuck.

18 comments:

Unknown said...

I've been watching IrateGamer pretty soon after he started posting Youtube reviews. I've subscribed to him not long after and have kept the subscription since as I like his videos.

Most peoples' complaints seem stemmed on the fact that he takes material from the AVGN, there's a video on youtube that Master Higgins something-or-another and the SlyDogStudios guy did ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fw_6LaT4uik ) and they do a good job of outlining their complaints in a mature manner (as opposed to the video that you mentioned where he just says cock a bunch of times.)

It's understandable that when reviewing the same game as another reviewer, similar complaints will come about. Any review of ET will talk about the pits, bad music and sound effects, not knowing what to do and the weird doctor and investigator. To not address these issues would make little sense and would make for a sub-par review as these are major complaints of the game.

However, as was shown in the linked video, the IrateGamer does take a lot of complaints about games and addresses them in a similar manner.

Some time before the TMNT video, he sent an email to Mike Matei ( http://www.screwattack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10041&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=irategamer&start=105 ) apologizing for using AVGN catchphrases, only to do it again with the TMNT video, done soon after.

It was only after the attention that he had received about it with the Yo! Noid video.

The TMNT video may have been done before the email and/or his personal revelation of using AVGN catchphrases (if that is what happened) and thus, didn't have time to edit them out and addressed it with the Yo! Noid video. I don't know how long editing, the uploading process and possible lag time between uploading and a video showing up on YouTube is, so these are all factors that may be overlooked.

Anyhoo, those are some random lurker's 2 cents!

Anonymous said...

I subscribed to both Irate Gamer and AVGN...both are good, both make me laugh.

Of course I like AVGN a bit better, because he puts more emotion into his videos, and it seems like he is doing less of a persona and more of an "I am actually playing this game" type of person.

But does that mean that Chris Bores a.k.a Irate Gamer deserves all the bad reputation, hate mail, garbage fuck faces telling him to piss off you're nothing but a no good piece a shit plagiarizer? No.

Unfortunately, that's our world, assholes are born everyday, some assholes are being made even as I type this message.

Point of message, Irate Gamer is not doing anything wrong in my book. It is a trend that was started by a certain individual, and that trend became popular enough for others to do it. That's like saying, my next door neighbor copied me because he drives a car...

PlayItBogart said...

Exactly. It's what I keep saying: The more reviews, the merrier! We're supposed to hate (and sometimes love) the games, not the people reviewing them!*

*EXCEPTION: SEGAKID

nosebleed said...

I'm not really sure what to think of all the alleged "plagiarism" done by Chris Bores. For a little while it bothered me that he was copying stuff but I just shrugged it off since it didn't really affect my life. More power to the guy, I mean, his reviews aren't the greatest but they're better than alot of shit on Youtube.

The one thing he's done that really bothers me though is the DMCA takedown bullshit he's been doing. I mean, copy AVGN, moderate comments. Whatever, more power to you. But taking down videos? Why? Some of them didn't even use "Y2B" copyrighted stuff... whatever though. I don't see any reason to be posting videos about the issue anymore. It's dead, just leave him be. I do enjoy the parody videos (upsetgamer) though.

I would like Chris a little more if he acknowledged other reviewers though. He seems like a nice guy, but seems stuck up. Although I saw an interview somewhere where he said he saw other reviewers and it inspired him.

But I think people need to get off it now and move on with their lives. They're fighting for a cause that no one but them wants to fight for.

Actually, the only thing about him that pissed me off is his Zombies Ate My neighbors review. That's one of the best SNES games ever!

Unknown said...

It's nice to see someone stick up for Irategamer.

There's no question that Chris has stolen some comedic ideas from James. Most noticeably in his weak Mission Impossible review with the "shitload of fuck" and nonsensical Urkel joke.

But, to say that Irategamer plagiarizes AVGN completely is just ridiculous. Chris obviously puts a lot of effort into his reviews, and for the most part, they're enjoyable and his own content.

Why people get so pissed over this shit, I don't know. That's why I hate the internet.

RocMegamanX said...

Another reason I think that people hate the Irate Gamer is that he bashes Goonies 2, Super Mario Bros. 2 and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, one of the most underrated SNES titles of all time. Now Ghosts and Goblins is nearly impossible for me to beat, but I KINDA agree that he went a little far in bashing THAT game too.

He targets the wrong games sometimes. And that's what's wrong with IG...I unsubscribed to him because LeisureSuitGaming threatened to block me. Actually, I hardly laugh at his reviews like I do yours...and Armake's, Fatmann's, SpoonyOne's, and AVGN's reviews.

RocMegamanX said...

Oh...and Irategamer gets 99 percent of his game facts wrong...saying that the SNES version of TMNT4 was the only port and that Doki Doki Panic ripped off SMB2.

Anonymous said...

wow you unsubscribed to Irate Gamer because LeisureSuitGaming threatened to block you if you didn't? That is shameful on his part, and on your part for doing it... if that is really what happened. PlayItBogart, this is a well written stance, and I agree completely. My feeling is that people can complain about him being a ripoff, going after bad games, etc. But people who act like it's their personal quest to go after him because he blocked them from flaming the shit out of him in his video comments... or people who get furious because he removes a video who's sole purpose is to flame the shit out of him and make him look like a complete idiot... those people need to get on with their lives.

Was he inspired/got some ideas from AVGN? Without a Doubt! Can James Rolfe take him to court for copyright infringement? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Half of these crybabies on youtube seem to think that all James has to do is press the button and Viacom will go after Chris Bores for copyright infringement because he said "shitload of fuck" and circled a pizza on his TMNT review. Obviously there are other small instances, but the bottom line is that AVGN does not have the copyright on any of that stuff. It's laughable to say the least.

Also people think that IG has cursed out his fans, etc. for comparing him to AVGN. That is totally falsified information that they choose to believe simply because they will believe anything that supports their view of hating someone on youtube, because apparently it's the cool thing to do right now.

Irate Gamer Defender said...

Check out my blog. It is just getting started, but I'm trying to cover different points in depth in attempt to defend the Irate Gamer in an objective manner. Ultimately I just want people to see that there are rational arguments on both side of this "war".

http://irategamerissue.blogspot.com/

thanks

RocMegamanX said...

"That is shameful on his part, and on your part for doing it..."

Actually, I defended Irategamer on LSG's bash vid, but he threatened to block me if I kept defending him.

Why is it shameful for me to unsubscribe to him, because of that?

Well, in any rate, after I unsubscribed, I watched his vids, he ripped on Zombies ate my Neighbors and did this stupid Breakfast Rant.

nosebleed said...

Because you should be your own person and not someone's b*tch? If someone threatens me like that, they aren't worth my supposed friendship. True friends will agree to disagree. I suggest you stop associating with Silent Rob if he acts like that. Yeah, he makes some good videos (esp. the Action 52 ones) but he gets WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT for that stupid video which had about 338 references to the word "cock." I could write a better script in a drug-induced coma.

Also, while Irate Gamer does get some things wrong, he did say SMB2 was a remake of Doki Doki Panic, despite your previous error.

Anyway, I honestly don't think this deserves any more discussion. With my credit card debt, full-time job PLUS freelance web design on the side, I don't really have that much room to worry about a silly AVGN (alleged) ripoff. I'm not saying you should stop expressing your opinions, but there's no need to take it so seriously anymore...

Anonymous said...

Thanks for providing that link to Dramatica for the AVGN. I didn't know he was basically blackballed off YouTube by TheGameBoys. When I clicked on their link, I found one of my subscribers were one of them. Needless to say, YouTube just banned him just before I could from my channel. I just got done cleaning everything with his name on it off my channel.

I don't mind when someone favors one game reviewer over another - it's within their right, but when someone turns to "YouTube terrorism" to support their fanboy tendencies, that's where I draw the line.

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